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Agnes Chambre

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Agnes Chambre talks to Black Rod about ‘awkward’ peers, a close call with a crocodile and why he’ll soon be standing down 


What is your earliest childhood memory? 
Living in Jordan, when I was about three or four. My father, mother and brother were away most of the time. We lived in a rather volatile situation and so I had a permanent escort guard of two Bedouin Arab soldiers who were essentially my personal protection. My first language was Arabic, I was brought up speaking it. I loved that time in my life and I wasn’t aware I was in any danger, but occasionally there would be bullets flying over the house. That was my first childhood memory. 
 
When did you leave Jordan? 
All the Brits were all thrown in the early 1950s. We literally, overnight, packed our bags and left early the next morning. I can remember the first really big upset of my life was being taken away from those Bedouin Arabs who had been my childhood friends. It was a very happy time, but it was rather traumatic being taken away from them.
 
What were you like at school? 
I was a very anxious child. I was a very slow learner and I had a lot of trouble with language, because I hadn’t been brought up with English as my first language. When I arrived at primary school my command of English was pretty poor, and it pretty well has been ever since. I’m a very slow reader and a very slow writer. That was my biggest handicap at school. 
 
Do you still speak Arabic? 
No, it’s disappeared. It’s probably somewhere on the hard drive but it’s disappeared. When I hear the language, I hear the music of it but I don’t recognise the words. 
 
Do you regret not being able to speak it? 
I have no regrets in my life about anything. My life has been so varied, I have made so many mistakes, I don’t forget them but I don’t regret them. If you regret those things you get stuck. It would be lovely to speak Arabic, if I had some time perhaps I’d go and learn it. 
 
When you were young, what did you want to be?
I always wanted to be really outstanding at something in the sporting world or something in the musical world. 
 
What is a hobby or a talent you have? 
I don’t think I have any talents at all, otherwise I would have been a sporting or musical champion. 
 
What’s an interesting fact your colleagues don’t know about you? 
If there is an interesting fact my colleagues don’t know about me, it’s probably best they don’t. I would say, and it’s a typical of this House, that there are lots of things my colleagues don’t know. I find colleagues here are very focused on what they do. I’ve found none of my colleagues have taken any interest in each other in their private or personal or social lives. Some are good friends. But there isn’t the spirit of people knowing each other as there have been in other parts of my career. They are really focused on the House and they don’t have time for what I call the froth of life. 
 
What habit annoys you in other people? 
Discourtesy, above all. 
 
What’s the best advice you’ve been given? 
Sleep on it overnight. We all live life at 100mph and we all get tired and frenetic and at the end of the day, you sit down and you do your emails and you get irked. But the best advice is ‘draft it, sleep on it overnight, see how it looks when you’re fresh and in the morning and you’ve got your perspective back’. 
 
Have you ever woken up and been glad you didn’t send something? 
Probably every day. 
 
What’s the worst piece of advice you’ve been given? 
Goodness me. That I should become a lawyer. I read law at Cambridge and at the end of my course, there were a number of reasons that I didn’t go into the law, one was I was fed up with studying and couldn’t face more exams. Another thing was I managed to get a criminal conviction and although the Law society and the Bar council were very understanding and were prepared to make an exception, I thought it would be more helpful if I went and did something else in life before going back to the law. For those reasons I went and joined the army instead and I thought I would just do a short service commission for three years but three years turned into 39 years. 
 
What was your criminal conviction? 
I was poaching pheasants and partridges. 
 
How would your friends describe you in three words? 
Loyal, committed and a fool. 
 
When was the last time you made someone laugh? 
About ten minutes ago in the outer office. 
 
What did you say? 
I reported what one of my staff was provoked to say over a little office drinks party last night – which was very uncharacteristic and exceedingly unusual and very obscene. I recalled it and it cracked everybody up.
 
What would the title of your autobiography be? 
A Quiet Life. 
 
Who would play you in the movie of your life? 
Nigel Havers, because apparently he resembles me a bit. Or Hugh Grant because his life is chaotic and I think my life has been quite chaotic quite a lot of the time.
 
What is the most embarrassing thing you’ve done? 
Appear on BBC television putting on my stockings. That was quite embarrassing. It’s going to take a little bit of living down. 
 
What’s something you’ve done once that you’ll never do again? 
Been chased by a crocodile when I was waterskiing. 
 
When was that? 
On the river Zambezi in Rhodesia, as it was. 
 
Were you scared? 
Yes. We were water-skiing on a bit of a bit of the Zambezi where we were fairly sure no crocodiles had been seen there for a while. I dropped in and zoomed up along the river. The boat went past these crocodiles on the bank under the shade of a tree, and the crocodile just went like a rocket into the river and I suppose I was probably 20 yards away. They move very, very quickly when they’re frightened or when they’re chasing something. The trouble was I had to get over the water ski and into the boat. I managed to get into the boat very quickly and there was a guy on the boat with a rifle so if the croc had caught up, he could shoot it. Anyway it was fine but I wouldn’t want to do that again. 
 
Have you water-skiied since? 
Yes, but I don’t think I’ve ever done it in crocodile risky waters. 
 
What have you most recently dressed up as? 
Worzel Gummidge, at the Black Rod Christmas party. 
 
What’s surprised you most since you’ve worked in Parliament? 
The thing that didn’t surprise me most was the humbling modesty and kindness and thoughtfulness of some of the most eminent people in the land who are here. What surprised me much more than I expected was that the House of Lords is a reflection of society and therefore there are some members who are difficult, awkward, accursed, some who may even be a bit on the spectrum, and I suppose that did surprise me. But it shouldn’t have done, because the House of Lords is surprisingly much more representative of society than I’d ever imagined before I came here. 
 
What has been your lowest point? 
When the House agreed to security measures which I proposed and then a very vocal cross section of members then took against my proposals. They expressed their displeasure and criticism of me on the floor of the Chambers and in the newspapers. That was a pretty low point. 
 
When was that? 
That was in my first year, very shortly after I arrived. Have I got over it? Yes, you have disappointments in life, you’re let down by people in life and this is a reflection of society. I suppose the turning point of that was when one of the most senior pugnacious, notorious figures in that group who expressed their distaste for me and for what I was proposing came and saw me about three years later and sat down. He said “you were right and everybody now accepts what you did and what you proposed and what’s been implemented.” He then said: “I admire you for the balls for seeing it through”. A lot of members have acknowledged that without ever saying it, so that was a bad point in my first year and about three years later the damage was finally healed. 
 
Have you ever considered giving up Parliament? 
Oh, yes. Usually about 9 o’clock on a Monday morning. I have considered giving up and I will give up. I will leave within the next year because I want to go and do some other things before I get too old. 
 
If you could give your 15 year old self some advice, what would it be? 
Eat well, sleep well and set yourself priorities in life. 

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